volcomdiablo
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Random'd... and I wasn't surprised to see who's gallery it was in!
11/27/2007 9:22:27 PM
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Sweetlilmissa
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What makes something kosher?
11/28/2007 2:20:29 AM
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TrackStar
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cooked on a blessed grill i think... what do i know...
11/28/2007 3:36:36 AM
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Lucky_Starz211
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WOOOOOAMERICA =) Looks like down the street from my apartment .gif)
[Edited by Lucky_Starz211 on 11/28/2007 5:47:26 AM. Reason for edit: cept totally NOT kosher =)]
11/28/2007 5:46:32 AM
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shchmue
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^^^ you're... on the internet... and you thought this would be a good place to ask? in something like 4 key combinations i could have an answer for that in wikipedia or something.
11/28/2007 7:16:47 AM
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Lucky_Starz211
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What is Kosher?
By Rabbi David Markel Hall
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What is Kosher?
Kosher: "fit to eat" or "ritually clean according to dietary laws."
Here is how we understand kosher from a Jewish perspective.
A nice kosher chocolate cake, from a nice kosher baker having the appropriate (U) or (K) symbols on it was purchased by Mrs. Levy. Some of it dropped on Mr. Levy's nice clean Sabbath shirt.
Is it still clean? NO!
Mr. Levy grows his nice kosher vegetables in nice clean dirt in his nice kosher garden. The children help Mr. Levy tend the garden. When they return to the house, one of the children forgot to wipe his feet and some of that nice clean dirt came into their nice clean house and got on the nice clean rug.
Is it still clean? NO!
What caused the clean (kosher) to become unclean (trayf)? In both instances it was something "out of place", i.e. where it was not supposed to be.
What is "out of place" (trayf) for a Jew is not necessarily "out of place" for a Gentile and vice versa. Trayf actually means "torn" or "shredded". Animals which are kosher become trayf, if during the process of slaughtering, the slaughter knife becomes nicked which would tear the flesh. The Torah forbids eating animals whose flesh has been torn (Leviticus 17:15).
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Torah Kosher for Jews
Torah Kosher is simply following the Bible’s instructions, as understood by the simple meaning, regarding dietary observance. Messianic Jews are divided in their observance of Kosher laws. Some follow rabbinical kosher laws, some follow Torah kosher laws and some have chosen to not follow any food laws at all. Leviticus 11
Messianic rabbis are united in their opinion that the minimum requirement for a Jew is to obey the dietary laws contained in Torah. Some feel this is not sufficient, that we must keep rabbinical kosher, observing the most stringent rules for dietary observance, to be Jewish.
Most Messianic rabbis agree that to refuse to observe at least the Torah dietary laws is rebellion against G-d's commandments. This makes it difficult for us to find suitable places to eat out. Most restaurants are not careful to separate the cooking areas for unclean meats vs. clean meats. In deep frying, most restaurants today use parv (i.e. vegetable or neutral) oils to cook with instead of lard, but this does not mean that they avoid cooking pork or unclean fish products in the same oil as clean meats. Even those who are relatively careful in avoiding cooking clean meats where unclean meats have been cooked are often less than careful about handling clean meats after handling unclean meats, without having washed their hands etc. Then we have the problem of splattering grease from unclean meats on clean meats while cooking, cutting clean meats with the same utensils used to cut unclean meats, or using the same cutting boards etc.
All of these things make observing Torah’s requirements for foods while maintaining a lifestyle which requires eating out, almost impossible. This is the case for those who travel frequently for a living etc.
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Rabbinical Kosher for Jews
Halakah meaning "fence" is the authorized compilation of Talmudic instructions as given by our sages. It was written to help people avoid breaking the Torah, to know how to apply things in the Torah which were unclear, clarify instructions which left room for question, etc.. If a Jew is attempting to keep Halakah he/she will never come close to breaking Torah in the areas where Halakah is being observed. This is why Halakah seems so stringent.
According to the Talmudic authors, we should not even mix the dishes in which dairy products are served and those which are used for meat. This comes from the command "do not seethe the kid in its mother’s milk." In today’s American society it would be almost impossible to cook with milk from the mother of a calf, because of the way meat and dairy are processed. Just to make sure that the command is not in any way broken, laws were given to insure compliance. In strict observance of Halakah, many Jewish homes have two refrigerators, two sets of cookware, and two sets of dishes. One is for milchik (dairy products), the other is for meat.
Regarding eating out, if you think being Torah observant is difficult, try rabbinical kosher. First of all, the restaurant cannot even serve trayf of any kind (i.e. pork, shrimp, catfish, shellfish, rabbit, frogs and other unclean products, or clean meats which have not been properly slaughtered) from the same kitchen. Milchik (dairy) products may not be used in cooking or served where meat is served. All baked products must be parv certified (neither milk or meat products used in baking). The kitchen must be certified as kosher by a qualified rabbi and the fires used in cooking must be lit (at least the pilots) by the rabbi, each day cooking is done, to insure the complete process is being followed. All products being received must be from authorized, rabbinical supervised sources. The rabbi must be present to receive shipments of supplies. And this is only the final step in having a Kosher restaurant. Obtaining sources for food products which are properly supervised can be difficult and are certainly very costly.
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Torah / Rabbinical Kosher for Gentiles
Sooooo, who establishes what is out of place for a Jew or Gentile? G-d does. He told Noach that anything that moved was okay for food (Gen 9:3). G-d commanded him to bring seven clean animals on the boat but only two unclean. G-d knew what was clean and unclean and apparently Noach did also. However, Noach and the ancestors of Avraham were not the only ones being cared for here. The descendants of every race and tribe on the earth were present in Noach and his family.
In the process of gathering the animals, I'm sure, G-d told Noach what animals were clean and what were unclean, if he didn't already know. After Noach found out what animals were clean and unclean, I'm sure, he chose for himself to eat the clean animals and not eat the unclean ones because he was a tzadik (righteous) man. Also, he would not eat anything that wasn't offered to G-d as a sacrifice.
In conclusion, Noach, a man of righteousness, more than likely, ate only clean animals and did not eat or drink blood. At the same time he was commanded that anything that moves will be food for you i.e. MANKIND. Because the distinction was made between clean and unclean, we can also know that it was good, for those who wanted to, to eat only clean animals. We also know that G-d allowed non-Jewish mankind to eat unclean food without becoming un-righteous in His sight.
HOWEVER! Those who wish to walk with Israel as sojourners, spiritually or physically, were not to eat of the unclean.
Isaiah 66:17 was written to Israel and all that love Jerusalem (verse10). There is one law for the descendants of Israel and the stranger who sojourns with them (Exodus 12:49, Lev 7:7, Num 15:16,29 etc. etc.). This would include those who align themselves, spiritually or physically, with Israel. The Church, however, has not aligned themselves with Israel, spiritually or physically. This is a shame and will be dealt with by the L-rd when he comes.
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New covenant kosher for all peoples?
It is claimed by the majority of churches that Rav Shaul (The Apostle Paul) changed the Kosher laws for both Jew and Gentile. Various miserly reasons are given for this line of thought. The primary verse used in the Brit Chadisha (New Covenant) is; 1 Corinthians 10:25. In context it is obvious that Rav Shaul is talking about eating things offered to idols (verse 27). He is not discussing what is clean or unclean, nor is he talking about other Kosher laws. Additionally, he is answering a question posed of him by the Corinthian congregation as can be seen in 1 Corinthians 7:1. We do not know what their question was so it is impossible to fully understand the answer. We can, using in context analysis from 1 Corinthians 8:1, conclude that he was not saying that anything a person wants to eat is okay, and even if he was saying that (and he wasn’t), he was addressing a primarily gentile (not Jewish) congregation. (see Acts 15 for more understanding about requirements for gentiles.)
Rav Shaul summarizes his intentions for this section in 1 Corinthians 7:18,19. If you were Jewish, before accepting Yeshua as Messiah for sin atonement, then you should remain Jewish. If you were gentile, before accepting Yeshua as Messiah, you should be under NO pressure to convert to Judaism. On the other hand it was agreed by the Messianic rabbinical counsel led by Yaakov (James) that the gentiles be allowed to attend shul in local synagogues to learn the laws of Moses if they wish (Acts 15:21).
If you are a gentile, you do not need to keep rabbinical kosher to be righteous in G-d’s sight. If you want to keep kosher, it is your choice as to how far to go. No one should put pressure on you to go beyond what is clearly and easily understood in Torah.
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Appendix
1 Corinthians 10:25 "Whatever is sold in the resturants, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake: "
1 Corinthians 7:1 "Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: ..."
1 Corinthians 8:1 "Now as touching things offered unto idols, ..."
Leviticus 17:15 "And every soul that eateth that which died of itself, or that which was torn, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger, he shall both wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even: then shall he be clean. "
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Leviticus 11 (KJV) "And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them, {2} Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth. {3} Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat. {4} Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. {5} And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. {6} And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. {7} And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. {8} Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you. {9} These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat. {10} And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: {11} They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. {12} Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you. ... "
(U) or (K) symbols Food packages which are marked with a U or K having a circle around it are carefully prepared under the strictest Rabbinical supervision and are approved for consumption in any Jewish environment.
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Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you; like the green herbage I have given you everything. (The Stone Edition Tanakh)
Exodus 12:49 "One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. "
Isaiah 66:17 "Those who prepare and purify themselves [to go] to the gardens *, going one [group] after another to its midst, and those who eat the flesh of the swine, the abominable creature, and the mouse will all be consumed together -- the word of HASHEM." (The Stone Edition Tanakh)
* where their idols were set up to worship(Rashi)
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11/28/2007 8:21:29 AM
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volcomdiablo
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I'm glad my God will let me eat whatever the fuck I want.
11/28/2007 2:13:59 PM
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shchmue
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gods are for pussies
11/29/2007 8:13:20 AM
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TrackStar
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jews are pussies...
thats some faggot shit right there.
11/29/2007 4:07:11 PM
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volcomdiablo
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What do Jewish people eat?
Jood.
11/29/2007 5:20:19 PM
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Lucky_Starz211
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^LOL
=) My God lets me eat whatever I want too =)
Cept blood I think, but thats just weird.
11/29/2007 7:24:59 PM
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volcomdiablo
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^Drinking blood is vampiristic. Which some people get off on. (superkpill)
11/29/2007 9:48:02 PM
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Sweetlilmissa
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I didn't want a long winded internet explanation. I wanted a short answer from a jew who knows.
11/29/2007 10:25:05 PM
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jewtang610
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Lucky_starz its taken in Israel.
Sweetlilmissa, Kosher is not eating any unkosher food, ie: anything from a pig, shellfish, shrimp, etc., meat cannot have diary served with it or on it, and you must use separate plates, utensils, cooking wear and ovens/stoves/dishwashers. also some Jews will eat meat and then wait 3-7 hours before eating diary again.
12/1/2007 3:25:02 PM
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detraeHnekorB
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too bad paul said in the new testament that nothing God made is unclean. Oh thats right, New testament is blasphemy
12/1/2007 3:57:34 PM
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Kf4zra
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^^too many stupid rules
12/1/2007 5:44:33 PM
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AfroWanksta
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^^^ What's the reasoning behind all of these rules?
12/1/2007 6:30:11 PM
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Aaron1017
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They are all made up, illogical reasonings. Its religion!
12/1/2007 7:08:13 PM
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TrackStar
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some dick head who was in charge didnt like those foods and had a few mental disorders so told everyone else they have to eat like him so he would feel better about himself... yep.
12/1/2007 7:13:25 PM
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snagglerocks
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rules that seem illogical usually don't stick around for centuries if they don't serve some purpose. I'm guessing that not eating certain animals actually had some health benefits back in the day, OR that not raising certain animals for food had societal benefits. (an anthropologist named Marvin Harris did a pretty famous study about this kind of thing, but focused on the refusal to eat sacred cows despite starvation in India.) also, religious people bounded by rules -- even (or especially?) arbitrary-seeming ones -- are more likely to be more devout in general and have a stronger sense of religious or group identity/fulfillment.
12/2/2007 2:33:39 AM
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ssloves
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omg its dairy not diary
12/2/2007 3:34:51 AM
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Sweetlilmissa
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Thank you jewtang. So you don't eat any pig, shellfish or shrimp? And I'm guessing they don't serve cheeseburgers at that McDonalds. Sweet! I hate cheeseburgers!
12/2/2007 4:43:41 AM
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jewtang610
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^your welcome, I don't eat seafood period, unless you count tuna from a can seafood. i haven't had anything from a pig since i believe last years bowl game, i have stopped eating meat with dairy (better ssloves?), but i will occasionally eat red meat out, but usually stick to chicken out. one thing i forgot to mention, is that for meat to be kosher, the animal has to be cut a certain way so it drains all the blood, and a Rabbi has to be present to oversea it. and there is no cheese at that McDonalds, but there are some places in Israel where you can find unkosher restaurants, but for the most part, restaurants there are primarily kosher.
12/2/2007 8:04:55 AM
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shchmue
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^^^^ the idea of adherence to arbitrary rules demonstrating devotion doesn't say much for devotion.
12/2/2007 8:21:39 AM
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AfroWanksta
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Pigs are delicious, that's the reason to eat them.
Not eating them should have a reason.
What is the reasoning, Jewtang?
12/2/2007 8:25:14 AM
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jewtang610
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^go ask a Rabbi at www.askmoses.com i do not know every answer, but if you go to that site they can answer it for you
12/2/2007 7:08:01 PM
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detraeHnekorB
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^ the new testament speaks of not eating unclean things and gives examples which include swine, shellfish, and pork(among a few others).
However, christians are fine with it because a) Jesus rewrote the new covenant and b) Paul writes that nothing God makes is unclean
It does, however, say in gensis 9:3 " Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you"
the paul reference is Rom 14:14 and says " I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean"
so basically... don't sweat someone for choosing to not eat it. While there are things that you can do that can be sin, there is nothing you can choose to not do that is a sin.
12/2/2007 9:49:24 PM
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WrxerRacer
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religion is the opium of the people.
[Edited by WrxerRacer on 12/2/2007 10:40:43 PM. Reason for edit: ,]
12/2/2007 10:39:53 PM
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shchmue
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^ note that in context, that quote reads favorably for religion.
12/3/2007 12:09:37 AM
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TrackStar
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bs
12/3/2007 1:00:40 AM
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AfroWanksta
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^^^ Lets say there was someone clinging to the edge of a cliff about to fall, pleading for me to help them up and I sat down and watched them fall to their death. I havn't sinned?
12/3/2007 5:07:54 AM
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snagglerocks
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^^^ lolirl
12/3/2007 6:31:27 AM
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Lucky_Starz211
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[Edited by Lucky_Starz211 on 12/4/2007 6:42:22 AM. Reason for edit: w/e]
12/3/2007 6:37:45 AM
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shchmue
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^^ i'd be laughing more if i could figure out why i posted that. i think i was serious.
12/3/2007 7:29:50 AM
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volcomdiablo
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I'm having pork chops tonight. They are currently marinating in a delicious homemade mojo marinade.
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religion is the opium of the people. |
Thank you, Karl Marx.
12/3/2007 2:36:58 PM
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volcomdiablo
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Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_of_the_People
[Edited by volcomdiablo on 12/3/2007 2:39:51 PM. Reason for edit: you can read the whole thing wxracer plagiarized]
12/3/2007 2:37:50 PM
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CallMeEleanor
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quote :
Sweetlilmissa, Kosher is not eating any unkosher food, ie: anything from a pig, shellfish, shrimp, etc., meat cannot have diary served with it or on it, and you must use separate plates, utensils, cooking wear and ovens/stoves/dishwashers. also some Jews will eat meat and then wait 3-7 hours before eating diary again. |
Christine said pretty much what I was going to say. Seemingly silly rules like this were probably pretty sound back in the day.
I've been raised half-assed Catholic, and I don't eat pork. It's kinda gross.
And dairy? Fuck dairy. (Lactose intolerant.) It makes you fat anyways.
I would entirely rock as a Jew.
12/3/2007 3:52:55 PM
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jewtang610
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Oooo I can answer why the pig was considered unclean!!!
In my church they explaine dhtat back in the day it was beneficial because pigs carried alot of parasites and people would get sick, thus the animal was 'unclean' =) |
i don't think thats the reason.
12/3/2007 4:04:32 PM
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volcomdiablo
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^I think she's retarded.
12/3/2007 4:49:43 PM
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shchmue
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^^^^ that's what i did.
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Anthropologist Marvin Harris has proposed that the Jewish prohibition of pork results from the fact that in arid countries such as Israel, it is possible to raise pork only by feeding it grains that are also eaten by people, since the pigs cannot forage in nonexistent forests. In bad harvest years, there would be a social conflict between those who could afford to raise and eat pork and those who would be at risk of starvation due to the scarcity of edible grains. Thus, in the interest of social survival, the prohibition entered the Jewish religion. Harris in Cows, Pigs, Wars and Witches cites worldwide examples of similar ecologically determined religious practices, including other prohibitions of pork for similar reasons. According to Harris, pork requires too much salt to guarantee the elimination of the carcass liquids due to high fat content. The reverse process of washing out the preserving salt when it came to eating the meat also made it difficult to justify. This same reason would apply to many other forbidden foods either because salting preservation was impossible or because the salting process was not reversible. |
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Vincent: Want some bacon?
Jules: No man, I don't eat pork.
Vincent: Are you Jewish?
Jules: Nah, I ain't Jewish, I just don't dig on swine, that's all.
Vincent: Why not?
Jules: Pigs are filthy animals. I don't eat filthy animals.
Vincent: Bacon tastes gooood. Pork chops taste gooood.
Jules: Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherfucker. Pigs sleep and root in shit. That's a filthy animal. I ain't eat nothin' that ain't got enough sense enough to disregard its own feces.
Vincent: How about a dog? Dog eats its own feces.
Jules: I don't eat dog either.
Vincent: Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal?
Jules: I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
Vincent: Ah, so by that rationale, if a pig had a better personality, he would cease to be a filthy animal. Is that true?
Jules: Well we'd have to be talkin' about one charmin' motherfuckin' pig. I mean he'd have to be ten times more charmin' than that Arnold on Green Acres, you know what I'm sayin'? |
[Edited by shchmue on 12/3/2007 7:14:22 PM. Reason for edit: typos? on my imdb quote page? more likely than you think.]
12/3/2007 7:13:30 PM
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snagglerocks
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^ <3
don't know why I didn't just google Harris, kosher earlier.
12/3/2007 8:51:59 PM
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detraeHnekorB
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well, the pig parasite/sick thing is somewhat true, but back in the day, they didn't eat it really because God said not to. And there are a myriad of other very weird rules to do/not do and things to eat/not eat and rules and such that would sound very bizarre now. But I'm sure there was a reason for everyone's own good.
As for watching someone plummet to their death, the mindset of someone who is not willing to atleast try and help someone who is very obviously in life danger must have something weird going on. Even if you hated the person, we are called to love our neighbors. So while the act itself of letting someone die and not helping isn't a sin, the mind of said person who allows it to happen is already pretty sinful.
12/4/2007 5:15:26 AM
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shchmue
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^ that's not just religious, that's socialized moral code
12/4/2007 5:18:25 AM
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detraeHnekorB
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^ yeah, i really hate religion anyway. useless, unnecessary rules that aren't even backed by scripture are stupid. That's why I hate denominations.
[Edited by detraeHnekorB on 12/4/2007 8:33:08 PM. Reason for edit: and catholicism]
12/4/2007 5:35:53 AM
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AfroWanksta
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Your answer was correct, dannyb.
12/4/2007 6:06:47 AM
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HairyBearChaos
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horry hell
this one long stupid thread
oh BS how i missed you :']
12/4/2007 3:44:06 PM
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volcomdiablo
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quote :
Keeping Kosher: An Introduction for Beginners
Beware Jew-Jitsu!
Zionist Jews are notorious for hacking blogs.Jews follow dietary laws given to them by their God Whose Name Must Not Be Spoken, because they've forgotten how to pronounce it (modern scholars believes it was either Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh (YHVH), Jehovah, or Cthulhu). The kosher, or "kraut," laws are voluminous and complex, though the basics include:
Not eating the flesh of certain "forbidden" animals (such as pigs).
Not eating the flesh of other Jews. See the above for more details.
Ensuring that those animals that are killed for food be killed in a ritually sanctified fashion.
Not consuming meats, eggs, fruits and vegetables in combination with dairy products. The Jews thus despise cheeseburgers and omelettes, and accordingly both foods are outlawed in Israel.
Not consuming grape products, like wine, that are manufactured or touched by non-Jews.
Eating Aryan babies, usually at Passover and often with a delightful light sauce and table wine.
Avoiding Zyklon Knishes like the plague.
[edit] Slurpees and Kashrut
The good news for Jews is that nearly all Slurpees are kosher! Pareve even! Except for Diet Pepsi, which is only Kosher Dairy as it has an anti-freezing sweetener derived from milk. And the Piña Colada, not Kosher at all; stay away Jew.
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Source:http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Jews#Keeping_Kosher:_An_Introduction_for_Beginners
12/10/2007 4:18:15 PM
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shchmue
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^ ED and Uncyclopedia are some of the silliest sites on the internet if you love immature offensive internet bullshit (and Cthulhu knows i do)
12/10/2007 5:09:03 PM
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