GangsterOfBoats
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isn't that nice, the picture is from like 1986.
11/22/2005 4:51:45 AM
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HairyBearChaos
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you sure that guy's even a veteran? he's probably just a jingoistic, flag-happy citizen.
11/22/2005 4:52:57 AM
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millerlight21
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either way it shows strong character and pride
11/22/2005 4:54:07 AM
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HairyBearChaos
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if you say so
11/22/2005 4:54:31 AM
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millerlight21
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ok then what do u think it means?
11/22/2005 4:56:44 AM
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HairyBearChaos
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i already said what i think it means
11/22/2005 4:58:05 AM
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millerlight21
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thoughtfull
11/22/2005 5:01:22 AM
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HairyBearChaos
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http://www.dictionary.com
11/22/2005 5:02:38 AM
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millerlight21
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u dont like america... i dont like english
11/22/2005 5:04:24 AM
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HairyBearChaos
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who said i disliked the u.s.? jesus christ.
11/22/2005 5:07:00 AM
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h0ttricanbarbi3
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quote :
either way it shows strong character and pride |
yes it does, and thank you for serving our country, god bless you
11/22/2005 5:07:54 AM
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millerlight21
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well it was my interpretation... sorry if i was wrong
11/22/2005 5:08:17 AM
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HairyBearChaos
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that's aight, i'll float back
11/22/2005 5:12:58 AM
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Trillian
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He's old. He thinks it's the start of the line for the pot luck dinner.
11/22/2005 5:23:44 AM
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GangsterOfBoats
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I don't really care, Americans are allowed to do whatever they like.
11/22/2005 5:28:30 AM
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HairyBearChaos
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^ exactly
11/22/2005 5:35:14 AM
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FloridaKai
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I don't really care, Americans are allowed to do whatever they like. |
Yeah, try using that one in court.
11/22/2005 5:39:01 AM
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Tweak
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You can really only see 5 other people (besides those marching) in this picture. There could always be people standing around that you just don't see in the picture. I can see how it can have some symbolism to it, but the picture could have also been taken that way just to show it as if he is the only one standing, even if that might not be the case.
11/22/2005 5:50:08 AM
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millerlight21
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tech. u dont stand untill the flag is passing you so.. tweak is probably correct
11/22/2005 5:51:06 AM
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the dude
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He might not even be standing
11/22/2005 6:10:52 AM
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KingPin
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quote :
millerlight21
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either way it shows strong character and pride |
Well said, Sir!
11/22/2005 6:16:50 AM
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japerez7
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^^lol
11/22/2005 6:23:26 AM
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USF3983
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you know, to be quite frank, theres probably a great deal of service men and women who joined for the reasons except to fight for our country. not that they arent patriotic but that they're patriotism takes a back seat to the money, the traveling and the education and discipline.
11/22/2005 7:55:42 AM
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CrazyPills69
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Minorities do not matter.
11/22/2005 10:58:05 AM
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MrScottly
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I think the point of the picture was to show that a man who is having physical difficulties can stand to respect the colors of our country, yet others around him without said difficulties are not motivated to do so, demonstrating the changing values in our society.
The older generation was taught to obey authority. After the governmnet abused that authority during the Vietnam era, the younger people were taught to question authority.
Just an observation.
11/22/2005 11:56:13 AM
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HairyBearChaos
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how does the flag symbolize authority? that's complete bunk. authorities were always meant to be questioned, not allowed to trample all over everyone else.
not like the flag's doing that but still.
[Edited by HairyBearChaos on 11/22/2005 9:43:57 AM. Reason for edit: qualifier? is that you?]
11/22/2005 2:43:24 PM
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Kf4zra
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^you never have anything to post about america or the government. why dont you swim back to cuba and try that shit over there and see what happens, you taco bending whore
[Edited by Kf4zra on 11/22/2005 2:12:28 PM. Reason for edit: :]
11/22/2005 5:46:21 PM
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Okrbot23
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what if he was in the process of sitting down?
11/22/2005 6:01:40 PM
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Okrbot23
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I mean the hooters float may have gone by and he could have stood to get a good look but then got tired from all the oggling and decided to sit down.
11/22/2005 6:02:12 PM
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EmptyApocalypse
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Why would you not question authority? People who take everything served to them without thinking about it should be shot IMO.
Plant City population after the shooting: 2 (the kids who eat mushrooms in cow pastures).
11/22/2005 7:20:45 PM
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KingPin
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quote :
MrScottly
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I think the point of the picture was to show that a man who is having physical difficulties can stand to respect the colors of our country, yet others around him without said difficulties are not motivated to do so, demonstrating the changing values in our society.
The older generation was taught to obey authority. After the governmnet abused that authority during the Vietnam era, the younger people were taught to question authority.
Just an observation. |
Please explain how they abused their authority. Is this from the hippie point of view?
11/22/2005 8:42:59 PM
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CrazyPills69
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^Colin Powell's
11/22/2005 8:51:17 PM
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MrScottly
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I'm farrrrrrrr from a hippie, Dan. The governmnet abused that authority by sending only poor kids, mostly minority, to a war that we clearly should have never been involved in and let the politicians run the war. Total dead because of their blunder? Over 50,000.
Remember the draft? That was not a volunteer force in that war. Rich college kid? Exempt. Rich politician's kid? Exempt. Contributor to a congressman's campaign? Exempt. If that's not an abuse of authority, I don't know what is.
11/22/2005 9:00:16 PM
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KingPin
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^Yea, I have to agree with you regarding the Vietnam war- the government should not have gotten involved and should have let the military run the war themselves.
11/22/2005 9:13:02 PM
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FloridaKai
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What if this man is a covert suicide bomber just waiting to make his presence (and parallel death) known?
Or maybe he just has hemorrhoids.
11/22/2005 9:16:54 PM
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FloridaKai
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I don't know.. this picture kind of reminds me of one of those old ornery people who refuses to sit down while everyone else politely remains seated so the people in the back rows can also see the parade...
Maybe I've been to Disney too many times.
11/22/2005 9:18:30 PM
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h0ttricanbarbi3
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quote :
[ Delete] 11/22/2005 5:58:05 AM
MrScottly
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I think the point of the picture was to show that a man who is having physical difficulties can stand to respect the colors of our country, yet others around him without said difficulties are not motivated to do so, demonstrating the changing values in our society.
The older generation was taught to obey authority. After the governmnet abused that authority during the Vietnam era, the younger people were taught to question authority.
Just an observation.
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Thats what I believe too.
11/22/2005 9:20:11 PM
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HairyBearChaos
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if you truly loved this country, you'd question just about everything too, k443242ra. what is our first amendment? the freedom of speech?
oh yeah. sweet. i'm gonna use that shit as much as i can until i fuckin' die.
11/22/2005 9:38:55 PM
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USMCFro
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And who do you think is fighting so that you have the right to free speach?
11/22/2005 10:21:30 PM
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Grandmaster_Z
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George Washington?
11/22/2005 11:36:56 PM
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Alcibiades
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Am I the only one who thinks flag burning shouldn't be a crime? Just because you live in a country doesn't mean you have to like it.
11/22/2005 11:56:32 PM
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timeconsumerx
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it pisses me off that the people that are supporting this picture are just name calling and generally being not only 1. racist but 2. closed minded.
is that what supporting america entails? i doubt it.
it saddens me that the people that support america the most know the least about why this country was founded.
11/22/2005 11:57:50 PM
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USF3983
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^nice.
yea because if we dont do something soon, we'll be overrun with commies who will cut your tongue off for gov't dissent.
11/22/2005 11:59:35 PM
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timeconsumerx
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my grandfather, a serviceman, would look at people's comments and say "ah, kids." but if he saw someone supposedly a big supporter of "america" and the military tell someone else to get out of the country, he'd probably be pissed.
11/23/2005 12:09:28 AM
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HairyBearChaos
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srsly i completely agree with brad and dan and aaron...
and USMCFro dude, i'm not disparaging anyone who fights for this country or anyone else in any other country who fights for theirs but i am opposed to this particular "war" that's going on. just because i think this picture is being misconstrued by a bunch of nationalists in a pissing contest to see who is most patriotic doesn't mean i hate the u.s., those who fight for it, and other such things.
goddammit you people are so dogmatic. what makes the u.s. so special? we're forcing our supposedly "perfect" view of government and living onto others. that's not really cool.
[Edited by HairyBearChaos on 11/22/2005 7:32:35 PM. Reason for edit: jeezus again.]
11/23/2005 12:29:45 AM
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Kf4zra
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^fuck all us evil americans spreading freedom and killing terrorists. i wish we all could live in a constant state of fear under evil tyrants
you have the right to say whatever the fuck you want about this country, but there is a reason your ancestors came here. thats right, it is better here than wherever the fuck they came from. except for slaves, they pretty much got a raw deal. however current descendants of slaves are living much better in this country than they would be if they were in africa now.
11/23/2005 2:36:09 AM
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millerlight21
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^^^^ they already tried that it was called the sedition acts... amazing how they didnt work out... and how u dont know what you're talking about
11/23/2005 3:22:25 AM
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Kf4zra
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just because i think this picture is being misconstrued by a bunch of nationalists in a pissing contest to see who is most patriotic doesn't mean i hate the u.s |
we are not in a pissing contest. myself and others on this site actually love this country and what it stands for. i respect it so much i would die to protect it and its freedoms. when you disparage the USA, you insult all of us that believe in it.
whats funny is you insult the country that gives you the right to say what you say.
11/23/2005 3:47:09 AM
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FloridaKai
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I love America too. Don't get me wrong. But we are not by any means perfect. Nor does having wealth necessarily equate with being the best.
I am not proud to be an American for pride implies some sort of hierarchical ranking system; rather, I think I am lucky to be one. The luck of birth. However, it does not necessarily mean I am entitled to all of this privilege.
As far as this: quote :
fuck all us evil americans spreading freedom and killing terrorists. i wish we all could live in a constant state of fear under evil tyrants |
I find there is fear in America. Fear to dissent from a dichotomous Judeo-Christian morality that has been passed down. Think of that the next time you realize that the upper-class, white, male, Christian politicians might not exactly be representing you or even have your best interests in mind.
Freedom seems more an illusion than anything.
Ideals, when practically applied, however noble, usually fall short.
[Edited by FloridaKai on 11/23/2005 12:07:51 AM. Reason for edit: .]
11/23/2005 5:06:19 AM
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Kf4zra
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^fear of a politician not representing your ideas and fear of disappearing in the middle of the night are two totally different things. if you dont like who is in office, elect someone else.
11/23/2005 11:29:01 AM
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MrScottly
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My grandpa used to say, "The difference between us and the Soviet union is they know they're not free".
Think about that for a minute.
11/23/2005 12:29:15 PM
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HairyBearChaos
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my "ancestors" didn't come here, i'm a first-generation american.
and holy god, kf2432432ra, if i have the right to say what i want and honestly, i don't hate the u.s., why are you getting so touchy? i'm not insulting "all" of you, just those on this particular thread because you're lashing out at me when i'm just saying what many others who have similar views to mine are thinking.
i vote whenever possible, i am not a member of any major political party, and in 2004, i waited almost three hours to vote for whom i wanted to take office. just because i am allowed to do these things without persecution and just because i can say whatever the fuck and i choose to criticize the government doesn't make me any less 'american' than you. being 'american' doesn't mean 'who has the most u.s. flags on their car' or 'who is the first to join up when they turn 18.' jesus.
and back to the "insulting all of you," if you love the u.s. so very dearly and all that it stands for, you should also learn true american history, the roots of our actions throughout the world right now, and why there's a growing number of people just like me. i've been a "liberal" since the sixth grade and i've heard all this shit many times before. it gets a little old.
p.s. please notice the "i think" statement of any comment i make. it's an opinion, i'm not getting huffy at yours, just at your response to mine.
[Edited by HairyBearChaos on 11/23/2005 8:46:54 AM. Reason for edit: dammit typos ihu]
11/23/2005 1:44:28 PM
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timeconsumerx
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^^thats tits right there
11/23/2005 2:07:31 PM
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Kf4zra
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my "ancestors" didn't come here, i'm a first-generation american. |
so you just appeared out of the thin air? just to let you know, your parents are your ancestors.
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and in 2004, i waited almost three hours to vote for whom i wanted to take office |
thats cause you are a dumbass, you should have voted a few days early like most people did.
you are only a liberal cause you like doing illegal drugs, and you feel that the government or someone else owes you something.
[Edited by Kf4zra on 11/23/2005 12:33:29 PM. Reason for edit: :]
11/23/2005 5:31:17 PM
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timeconsumerx
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dude.
i fucking hate you.
you are honestly a disgrace to good republicans everywhere.
11/23/2005 5:32:40 PM
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HairyBearChaos
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um i know quite a few very conservative republicans that smoke pot and one is quite the cokehead.
being a liberal doesn't automatically make me a drug addict. and i know that my parents are my ancestors but there are better words with a much clearer connotation than ancestors.
11/23/2005 5:39:41 PM
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HairyBearChaos
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oh and now you're just picking apart little shit i'm saying because there's nothing else you can say. i was busy days earlier and i couldn't vote, i had several hours before my first class that day and decided to vote in the morning instead of later when it would get worse.
let's keep going. this is fun.
11/23/2005 5:40:43 PM
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ATLDrtybird7
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my grandfather emailed me this pic, what it implies makes me very sad. If you spend a lot of time speaking to veterans and hearing their stories and realizing how amazing they are, and how little respect and recognition they get for the sacrifices they made... what this picture implies is a very sad message
11/23/2005 6:36:54 PM
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MrScottly
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KF4ZRA, since you mentioned "liberal", secifically that HBC is "only a liberal cause you like doing illegal drugs", shall we mention why YOU might be a liberal? Let's look at some of your "interests" as listed in your user profile, shall we?
jimmy buffett>> Now there's a liberal if there ever was one. When he's not busy trying to save nature, he's writing large checks to the Democratic Party and preaching everything that is anti-Republican.
quentin tarantino movies>> Another favorite of the Liberal Left, he was the president of the film critic jury that awarded Michael Moore the coveted Palme D'Or for FAHRENHEIT 9/11 at the Cannes Film Festival in 2004.
dave chappelle>> Another favorite of the Liberal Left, he was referred to as "a no-talent ass-clown" by the NRO, a Conservative think tank founded by William Buckley.
blackjack, roulette>> Gambling is something that is rarely supported by the Conservative Right.
I'm not pointing fingers, I'm just suggesting that you may not want to do so until you clean up your own back yard.
11/23/2005 6:57:07 PM
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EmptyApocalypse
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Mr. Scottly is the tits.
11/23/2005 7:13:10 PM
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Kf4zra
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i never said i was a republican, nor a conservative, where the hell are you guys getting this idea?
i have nothing to hide, i dont break laws, and i love my country. you guys seem to get pissed at people like me. i have quite the fanbase forming.
[Edited by Kf4zra on 11/23/2005 2:17:30 PM. Reason for edit: :]
11/23/2005 7:13:24 PM
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CrazyPills69
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11/23/2005 7:22:01 PM
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Kf4zra
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^thank you, someone finally gets it.
11/23/2005 7:28:40 PM
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EmptyApocalypse
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I'm ganna add South Park and Family Guy to Scottly's list btw.
11/23/2005 7:37:12 PM
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Grandmaster_Z
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whatever, you may not be republican or conservative, but you're definately anti-liberal, and mrscottly poined out that you're a hypocrit.
most college republicans are hypocrites too. I've seen peoples facebook profiles where they say they are "conservative", but they listen to system of a down and worship dave chappelle. its funny.
11/23/2005 7:39:59 PM
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EmptyApocalypse
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College Conservatives arn't really conservatives...
they just slept in their parents bed until they were 16, and can't think for themselves yet.
11/23/2005 7:42:40 PM
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ATLDrtybird7
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^ except, of course, if your parents are liberal, and in that case your statement wouldn't make too much sense
11/23/2005 8:12:29 PM
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EmptyApocalypse
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Growing up in Crystal River... redneck capital of the world, I didn't know to many liberal parents...
Actually the only ones I can recall are my buddys very intelligent, doctor parents :-D
11/23/2005 8:18:38 PM
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FloridaKai
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I don't think you understood my point.
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if you dont like who is in office, elect someone else. |
That assumes there are a variety of types of people that are in politics, doesn't it? That was my point. There aren't. And in a winner-take-all, two-party system, (that posese issues in a false dichotomous opposition) there really isn't much of a real choice.
[Edited by FloridaKai on 11/23/2005 3:39:08 PM. Reason for edit: stupid /]
11/23/2005 8:38:29 PM
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Kf4zra
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whatever, you may not be republican or conservative, but you're definately anti-liberal, and mrscottly poined out that you're a hypocrit. |
i dont get how he proved me a "hypocrit" please enlighten me. you obviously do not even know what a libertarian is?
scottly thought i was a republican, if i was, i might be able to draw a correlation, but since i'm not, i dont see how i'm a "hypocrit".
11/23/2005 8:48:22 PM
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Grandmaster_Z
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^^you love liberals (jimmy, quinten, dave, etc.)
but you're anti-liberal
11/23/2005 9:22:48 PM
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MrScottly
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KF4zra....just to be clear, I never called you a hypocrite. Somehow, I think there is a little bit of hypocracy in all of us. But, you clearly took an argument with HBC and started a senseless finger-point by stating that she was liberal. You turned it into a political values showdown by doing that. I'm not being malicious toward you in any way, just pointing something out.
I don't know if you are Libertarian, Republican, or anything else for that matter. I consider myself conservative, but am certainly wise enough to know that burning a little rolled-up mother nature does not make someone a liberal....it just makes them high.
I don't toke, but 30 million fucking Americans are, I certainly can't believe that they are all liberal in their political thinking. Many people have made good points in this little discussion and I would like to see more. But patriotism, no matter how hard to define, doesn't have lines drawn between Democrats and Republicans.
My father was a pro-union Democrat, voluntarily serving in the Merchant Marines during WW2, later enlisting in the Army and serving in the Korean war as a foot soldier. He was granted double veteran status when Merchant Marines were recognized as veterans in the early nineties. Shall we say he is less partriotic because of his political leanings? He'd roll out of his grave and shoot anyone who made such an accusation.
11/23/2005 9:26:46 PM
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HairyBearChaos
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goddammit THANK YOU
11/23/2005 9:30:05 PM
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CrazyPills69
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I am a registered Green.
11/23/2005 9:33:25 PM
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SexyScientist48
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nah, i been to wyoming, theres no bank of americas there.
11/23/2005 9:36:45 PM
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Kf4zra
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scottly, i wasnt saying you were calling me a "hypocrit" i was mocking this jackassquote :
Grandmaster_Z
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whatever, you may not be republican or conservative, but you're definately anti-liberal, and mrscottly poined out that you're a hypocrit.
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in terms of values, there is a huge difference in the democratic party of the WWII era and today.
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I don't know if you are Libertarian, Republican, or anything else for that matter. I consider myself conservative, but am certainly wise enough to know that burning a little rolled-up mother nature does not make someone a liberal....it just makes them high.
I don't toke, but 30 million fucking Americans are, I certainly can't believe that they are all liberal in their political thinking. Many people have made good points in this little discussion and I would like to see more. But patriotism, no matter how hard to define, doesn't have lines drawn between Democrats and Republicans |
i wanted to clear this up too. i dont do any drugs, dont condone drug use, or suggest anyone use drugs; however, who the fuck am i to tell them what they can do to themselves. the drug comment was basically pointing of hairy&stinkychaos liking to do drugs, and the libs out in oregon and the Peoples Rebublik of Kalifornia seem to be getting the medical marijuana legislation passed.
again, if anyone gives a shit, Libertarians, of which i am one, believe in lifting drug laws. but most liberals are too concerned with their own bitching and finger pointing to realize that others share their beliefs.
11/23/2005 11:11:21 PM
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HairyBearChaos
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i just can't wait until the next time i do illegal drugs.
maybe i'll get horny and masturbate to your photo gallery. 
11/24/2005 1:40:29 AM
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Kf4zra
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11/24/2005 4:48:58 AM
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HairyBearChaos
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god i love it when guys vomit on me
11/24/2005 5:03:24 AM
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